>> the soviet union was no more of a financial burden on america than afghanistan and iraq had been. these are fatuous arguments. >> first of all, they brought out at the same time that reagan was managing ending carter's inflation policy and 20% interest rates and the increase in the cost of energy, turned all that around. he also created jobs at the same time. ten million more during the same 36 months than obama has. that's one of the reasons people look at this and the high unemployment rate -- >> i think mr. reish is entitled to jump in. >> we need more, piers, more civil discourse on television. >> i totally agree. >> when grover norquist talks about stuff that he obviously has no idea what he's talking about, i've got to pipe up. i mean, grover norquist -- >> that's civil? >> the fact of the matter is the reagan recession was very deep but it is nothing compared to what barack obama inherited from george w. bush. i mean, the economy fell off a complete cliff. we have not had an economic calamity corresponding to this since the great depression and it's really amazing that we a